A Conversation with Glennon Doyle Melton


Mandy Arioto interviews Glennon Doyle Melton, author of New York Times Best Seller, Carry On Warrior, and blogger at Momastery.

I met Glennon Doyle Melton in the corner of a hotel lobby. Author of NYT Best Seller, Carry On Warrior, and blogger at Momastery, Glennon has created a community of women who are journeying together to be truth-tellers and hope-spreaders.

Here is our conversation. 

Mandy: Lately, our theme at MOPS has been A Beautiful Mess: Embrace Your Story. How has embracing your story affected you as a woman and a mom?

Glennon: I love the Beautiful Mess theme because it applies to so many different parts of life. My life was a mess for a long time, I was addicted to alcohol, abused drugs and I was in a dark place. For such a long time I was holding my breath, waiting for things to get better. Hoping that there was going to be a magical time when I was going to be a grownup and my personality was going to change and I was going to be calmer, cooler, more collected. I was always thinking that life shouldn’t be so hard. Then, a little while ago I realized that life is always going to have hard parts, for me and for everybody. It is the hard parts that make us able to appreciate the good parts.

When I look back at the messy parts of my life when things felt overwhelmingly dark, I realize that going through all of that has made me appreciate my life right now. When you experience the brutal parts of life it opens your heart to the vast goodness and the beautiful moments that are gifts we never expected. For example, I never thought I would be a mother. I never thought that I would get to experience the beauty and messiness of motherhood. 

Here is my theory on this whole thing. Have you ever gone out to the mountains and seen the stars on a really dark night? It seems to me that the darker the night, the more beautiful their light is. That is exactly how I feel about my life and about parenting. It is the hard parts, the dark skies, that make the beautiful moments that much more beautiful.

M: You are really honest in your writing. How do you work through the fear of rejection? Do you ever worry about putting it all out there? 

G: I feel like everyone has a fear of rejection, at least everyone who has been honest with me. It’s human nature. For a long time I tried to hide who I was and be everything to everyone. That’s what led me to addiction. Everyone has some façade they put up, perfectionism, overworking, overeating... we all don’t identify it as such, but everyone has a hiding place they go to when they feel vulnerable. I think that if we put on an act and we are loved, it is still very lonely, because we are being loved for someone we are not. We don’t feel safe if it isn't the real us.

Let’s be honest, it is hard to be criticized. The number one problem for all of us is that if we think people don’t like us it will be the end of the world. I don’t think I will ever stop hurting from criticism, but it hurts less, at least the people who love me, I know they love me for the real me. Now I feel like for the most part I am just being myself. And I am still getting rejected. I am embraced by many, but I get crushed by others. That’s not easy for me. I still spend days under the covers wanting to disappear from the earth. I told my husband we have to move, but we live in a retirement area on the end of Florida, where else can we go? At least now, if I’m liked or not liked, it is for the real me. I kind of know what I am supposed to be doing with my life, so I keep doing the next right thing, and I try not to listen to other voices of praise, criticism.

M: How can women support one another in living honestly, not fearfully.

G: My favorite scripture is “here I am”—it used to exhaust me because I thought it meant raising my hand and volunteering for everything—like, here I am for the PTA, here I am to bake cookies, and on and on. However, that take on it isn’t going well for most of us. We are running ourselves ragged; we women are so tired and worn out. Instead, what I have come to realize is that “here I am” can mean is being fully present in the moment—here I am in this moment, with this person and the most important person is who I am with right now and the most important moment is right now.

I put this into practice just the other day when I was having my nails done. I was focusing on being present with my nail technician. She ended up sharing her story with me and it was a profound story that changed my life. So many women have these amazing stories if we show up and listen to one another. Ultimately, I don’t think there is one universal strategy for how to support one another. I think the best gift we can give is simply to show up and listen to each other without an agenda.

M: Can you share one principle to guide moms in raising their kids?

G: Don’t worry about having a great day, just grab a couple of great moments each day and call it a success. I don’t give advice, but I feel pretty confident about that one.

M: What does it look like to be brave when we find ourselves in a mess?

G: My definition of bravery is that I am brave because I keep showing up. Courage is being afraid and still showing up. We can only do so much, our job is simply to show up and then leave the rest to God. Just show up at your kids’ school, or for a confrontation you know you have to have, maybe it is showing up for yourself. However you need to be brave that day, show up and be brave.

M: Talk about a moment or process where you found redemption in your story.

G: I am wary of black and white talk about redemption because for me redemption is a moment by moment thing. When people are in recovery, it is a day by day process, not one shining moment. How will I not hide, how will I show up, how will I be healthy each and every day. It isn’t a before and after story.

I think redemption is more about using what you have to make a difference in someone else’s life. For me, having a sensitive personality led me into addiction, but it also led me into my work now. It is figuring out how to use what you have in a way that serves yourself and others. It isn’t necessarily a big change. I am still the same person, just now I am figuring out how to use what I have to serve others.

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